Velville's behaviour in North Wales was such that 'in January 1517 he appeared before the king's Council, where he was bound under heavy penalties to keep the peace, ordered to attend on the king and not depart without licence and to give Beaumaris castle to a deputy appointed by the king'. Although this document (which, as Professor Chrimes showed, was in fact issued in 1 Henry VIII) is regrettably now lost, its terms are recorded in the accounts of the chamberlain of north Wales and, in conformity with normal practice, these make no reference to the grantee's parentage (25). Through family connections, Brandon had begun his career in the royal service at an early age, and after Henry VIII's accession he was one of the new king's closest companions. If Veleville had wished to become a garrison commander, a suitable appointment could have been found in a much less distant location. Materials for the reign of Henry VII, ed. 134. After de Veleville’s death in 1535, Henry VIII is recorded as remembering him fondly. It is interesting to note that although Velville was not, according to both Chrimes and Robinson, granted lands in the ancient Tudor estates at Penmynydd by Henry VII, he was granted land (on 4 separate occasions) in those estates during the reign of Henry VIII by Owen ap John ab Owen ap Tudor Fychan, a member of the 'senior branch of the Tudor family'. Nor does he mention that Thomas Salusbury's brother and successor, Sir John Salusbury, was subsequently knighted by Queen Elizabeth and that he was appointed by her as an esquire to the body, a position of great trust and one only granted to the sovereign's favourites. 2834, 3222). (No. a day, these being the rates allowed to Stanley as shown in the chamberlain's account for 4 Henry VII (1488). Why is there no record of it? Extracts from 'The Making of the Tudor Dynasty' (1985) by Professor R. A. Griffiths. John Salusbury's great-grandfather, Sir Thomas Salusbury of Lleweni, died in 1505, nineteen years before Katherine of Berain was born. In addition, SF1, WC4 and WC5 (but not Geo.O.4.) 4. 3 (l967), pp. They were often used to symbolize travel and the use of this charge may refer to Velville's alleged Breton origins. The very secrecy surrounding Velville supports this conclusion. But these Anglesey Tudors (or Theodores as they preferred to be known) were far less prominent in local society than their ancestors had been in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries: they occupied no offices on the island and Welsh poets ignored them. a) daughter. The earliest reference to Agnes as Veleville's wife is in deeds of 6 July 1528 (82), and although the pedigrees do not cast doubt on the legitimacy of their children, Grace and Jane, it seems clear that they were born well before this date. This was an unsatisfactory situation for both parties, and it was resolved when new letters patent, dated 6 March 1516, were issued by the chancery at Caernarfon (63). 'Henry [VIII] was not going to let his heir have any rivals for the throne. J. S. Brewer, J. Gairdner, and R. H. Brodie (eds. In view of the favour which Henry VII extended to him throughout his reign, it was wholly appropriate that Veleville was one of the knights of the royal Household appointed to attend the king's funeral in May 1509 (42). Agnes appears in the published pedigrees as a daughter of William (Gwilym) Griffith Fychan (d. 1483) of Penrhyn, the father of Sir William Griffith (d. 1505) and grandfather of Sir William Griffith (d. 1531), both of whom held office as chamberlain of north Wales (77). Weir, Alison. (4). cit., p. 122; Cal. Sir Roland de Veleville. He is given no 'position' but lives as a member of the royal household. The fact is that no less a person than Sir William Stanley, together with his son, was appointed to it for life, and Sir Roland received his grant in the first year of Henry VIII (not Henry VII). Pages 287-289. In appointing Brandon as joint constable of Caernarfon castle, Henry VIII cannot have intended him to take an active part in performing the constable's duties, and even after Brandon's appointment as chief justice of north Wales in 1512 there is no evidence that he ever visited the principality shires (70). L.& P., Foreign & Domestic, Henry Vlll, I, part I (1920), 158 (9), 707. The total of £1,2l6 13s. Sir Roland de Velville or Veleville 1474 - 25 June 1535. 20. Veleville's total emoluments by virtue of these grants amounted to £350 5s. 67. He fought in the Battle of the Spurs, and was in the royal party at the Field of Cloth of Gold in Calais in 1520. This is not the kind of influence you would expect from a random knight in Wales, and shows that he had a connection to the king beyond his position as Constable. to whom he left his property in Beaumaris. i, no. 200-1, citing the generally accepted view that the fine alabaster altar tomb now in Penmynydd church commemorates Goronwy and was removed from Llanfaes after the Dissolution. 35. series, XV (1869), 402; J. Ballinger, 'Katheryn of Berain', Y Cymmrodor, XL (1929), 2; and R. A. Griffiths and R. S. Thomas, op. We can also consider Richard III's natural son, John of Gloucester, who was Captain of Calais, Edward III's natural son, John de Southray (or Surrey), a knight, King John's natural sons, Richard, Constable of Wallingford Castle, and John FitzJohn, a knight or perhaps a clerk at Lincoln and others. Tagged as Battle of Blackheath, Beaumaris, Beaumaris Castle, British history, Brittany, de Velville, de Vielville, Earl of Richmond, England, English history, Henry Tudor, Henry VII, Henry VIII, illegitimate, Jasper Tudor, king, Nantes, North Anglesey, Roland de Veleville, royal bastard, S.B. Having lived at Court, so far as the evidence goes, throughout his years in England, it is difficult to imagine why he should decide to abandon his privileged way of life to take up residence in a small and distant provincial town. The sum of £12 2s. Participation in royal tournaments was carefully restricted to noblemen and gentlemen entitled to bear coats of arms, whose insistence on this restriction was shown by their unwillingness to allow Hugh Vaughan, one of the king's gentlemen-ushers, to take part in a tournament at Richmond in 1492 until the king overruled their objections that Vaughan was not a gentleman entitled to bear arms and authorized his participation (36). He attributed the origin of claims concerning Veleville's royal parentage entirely to the following passage, quoted in his article, in Angharad Llwyd's history of Anglesey, published in 1833 (23). 29; Lleweni Collection, nos. [1], References[edit] ^ Jump up to: a b c d e f See Peter Beauclerk-Dewar & Roger Powell, "King Henry VII (1457-1509):Roland de Velville (1474-1535)", in Royal Bastards: Illegitimate Children of the British Royal Family (Gloucestershire, U.K.: The History Press, 2008), e-book edition, pp. 108, 174-75: no evidence has been found to support the statement that Henry VII made Veleville constable of Beaumaris castle 'not long before the king's death' (p. l74). For a reference to the removal of wine taken by Veleville at Beaumaris as prise to the castle cellar, see Lewis, op. If this was the case, then why the secrecy? Shortly after the king's death he is appointed Constable of Beaumaris Castle in Anglesey, the ancient seat of the Tudor family. A slight resemblance to her contemporary, Elizabeth I? Roland de Velville was definitely Henry VII's son, it says so in my family history - otherwise i would not exist as the person i am today! Patent Rolls, Henry VII, vol II, p. 47, PRO, C82/148. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. In the event, Veleville apparently received the sum of £175 2s. Patent Rolls, 1467-1477, p. l65). from Exchequer revenues (84). 15, no. I, pt, ii no. In 1544 when Henry was calling in troops for a campaign in France he was told that no men would be coming from North Wales. For Brandon's Career, see S. J. Gunn, Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk, c. 1484-1545 (Oxford. 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